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Parents Who Can't Resist Smoothing Life's Bumps

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LAST year, Mary Mayo of Columbus, Ohio, sent an e-mail message to the chief executive of the public relations company in Philadelphia where her daughter, Kristen Forbriger, works.

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Ms. Mayo wanted to have a surprise sushi lunch delivered to Ms. Forbriger, and requested the executive's help with the ruse. At the same time, she asked how her daughter was doing at work, and whether "I could help find him business contacts here in Columbus because I know everyone."

Then, in November, Ms. Mayo called the owner of the bakery where her 21-year-old son, Arthur, worked. Why was her son scheduled to work on Thanksgiving? Ms. Mayo asked. Mr. Forbriger was given the holiday off.

Helicopter parents — so named because they hover over their children — have reached the workplace. The same generation that turned parenting into a competitive sport, prepping 3-year-olds for preschool, then replacing the umbilical cord with a cellphone once they reached college, are pulling up their virtual Aeron chairs and "helping" them at the office.

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{"commentId":524579,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

Great. Helping your kids to be helpless.

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  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:58 AM EST
{"commentId":524643,"authorDomain":"MollyL"}

Or actually damaging your child's future. Even if the kid has (miraculously) managed to become independent, what boss is going to accept this kind of nonsense? I'd start keeping an eye on Kristen or Nathan ASAP if her mother were calling me up and intervening on his/her behalf, even if the employee claimed innocence in the whole affair. I'd assume, yes, helplessness, or manipulation, or a lack of dedication, especially with the Thanksgiving thing.

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  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:11 PM EST
{"commentId":524704,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

Damaging is right. Can you imagine being a boss and having an employees mother calling you?! WTF!

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  • 11 votes
#1.2 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:51 PM EST
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{"commentId":524599,"authorDomain":"ZenAid"}

Heavens, imagine being at the receiving end of this neurotic nurturing!

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  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:27 AM EST
{"commentId":524722,"authorDomain":"territan"}

It's no fun. You start wondering things, about your abilities, about your self-worth, about how much freedom you really have.

They can't leave you alone. They care what happens to you. They'd be "crushed" if something happened to you, and what adds insult to injury is that they would be. They really do care. It just so happens that said care has numerous side-effects, some of them toxic.

They just want "the very best for you," or so they claim, even as they suck the will to live out of you through their actions. What they really mean is they just want you to have what they think is the very best for you. Usually that turns out to be not just lame, but lame stuffed with pathetic, rolled in embarrassing, and served with an extra-weak weaksauce.

Tell them to back off? Good luck with that. Remember, they "care." There's no point in telling them to stop caring, or even to care less clumsily and cloyingly. Even if you tried, you'd wonder what kind of person you are to push caring folk like that away. So you tolerate it. Sometimes you may even take advantage of it; they insistently offer the help all the time, you might as well do something with it, even if it is simply inconveniencing someone else. If helplessness is a learned act, that temptation is a pop-quiz.

It's hard to maintain a social life with them, too. Some are worse than others, but a few will want to know all about who you see, where you go, what you do... the really intrusive ones may resemble not so much parents as parole officers. They "care," after all, and don't want you doing drugs, loud music, having sex, or anything else that they you fund fun but they find distasteful.

(The "sex" thing is an especially sore point. Trust me on this. Sooner or later they'll start asking when they'll get their grandchildren. Incidentally, the correct response is, "when I learn how to reproduce asexually.")

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  • 9 votes
#2.1 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:07 PM EST
{"commentId":524726,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

@!$%#. I'm gonna have nightmares tonight.

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  • 3 votes
#2.2 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:11 PM EST
{"commentId":524757,"authorDomain":"ZenAid"}

Heavens, Territan, methinks you've been on the receiving end of chronic caring. When it comes to parenting, I favour benign neglect.

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  • 5 votes
#2.3 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:36 PM EST
{"commentId":525517,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Zen Aid.....When it comes to parenting, I favour benign neglect.

That's wonderful, I did too until I progressed, now I make my crew worry what I'm doing, to keep them out of trouble.

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  • 5 votes
#2.4 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:39 PM EST
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{"commentId":524687,"authorDomain":"b-shaughnessy"}

God, the more I see and hear, the more I'm convinced... if you're going to raise a kid, you have to raise them to be tough. Simply clearing a path for them is setting them up for a big fall.

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  • 11 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:41 PM EST
{"commentId":524702,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

Spot on. Some parents refuse to allow their kids to suffer the consequences of their mistakes or to experience LIFE - which has bumps along the road. Unbelievable.

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  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:50 PM EST
{"commentId":525387,"authorDomain":"jasonford"}

Some parents refuse to allow their kids to suffer the consequences of their mistakes or to experience LIFE

We are seeing this more and more. Eliminating dodgeball, not allowing teachers to use red ink to correct papers because the kids may feel bad, or not keeping score at sporting events. The earlier kids learn that they will lose at some things the better.

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  • 8 votes
#3.2 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:40 PM EST
{"commentId":525570,"authorDomain":"clearcache"}

I second that. Celestina had a great article on this topic not too long ago. There are people who graduate from college and then crash and burn when they get into the real world because of this stuff.

I'm a dad now of 2 (one almost 3 years old, one 1 year old). I can understand the desire to shelter, but I also see the value in letting your kid take their bumps and bruises when they fall down. This is particularly applicable to my 1 year old right now!

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  • 5 votes
#3.3 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:12 PM EST
{"commentId":525609,"authorDomain":"b-shaughnessy"}

Eliminating dodgeball

No dodgeball, no TAG at some schools now, no contact of any kind in team sports... who can say they are truly alive and haven't been nailed a few times by a rubber ball?!

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  • 5 votes
#3.4 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:28 PM EST
{"commentId":525626,"authorDomain":"jasonford"}

We're going to raise a nation full of wusses who won't know what around to do when their mama isn't around.

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  • 4 votes
#3.5 - Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:34 PM EST
{"commentId":526159,"authorDomain":"greathoj"}

We're going to raise a nation full of wusses who won't know what around to do when their mama isn't around.

We're almost there already. I know a few people who are a couple of years younger than me who are basically helpless. They're not wusses when it comes to defending themselves, but without a crapload of help from their family and friends, they'd pretty much be living on the street just because they didn't know how to look for an apartment or a job on their own.

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  • 3 votes
#3.6 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:38 AM EST
{"commentId":526160,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

Ain't that the truth! I look at that and believe that this is where some people's sense of entitlement comes from. After all, they've "won" their entire lives, so the world owes it to them. They can't accept failures - no matter how small.

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  • 3 votes
#3.7 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:39 AM EST
{"commentId":526180,"authorDomain":"ROBNC"}

..nation full of wusses..

..it is said that the meek will one day rule the world..sadly just not in our lifetime,imhho
..thing is teaching when to be a wussie or a wolf..

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  • 1 vote
#3.8 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:08 AM EST
{"commentId":526181,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

There is a big difference between being meek and being a wuss!

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  • 3 votes
#3.9 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:10 AM EST
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{"commentId":525852,"authorDomain":"loungelizard"}

I can think of at least two reasons for this: 1. They're trying to live vicariously through the children, and 2. People just aren't having enough children anymore, at least not white folk. Therefore, they feel like they have much more invested in their one or two children, and want to make sure that investment "pays off", whatever that means to them. It's also part of why Europe has become a lot more peaceful since WW II---fewer young males and fewer parents willing to lose the males they have raised.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:12 AM EST
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